CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles

cubancroc at cox.net cubancroc at cox.net
Thu Sep 1 04:57:56 CEST 2005 

Flavio,

My new email address is Crocodile52 at msn.com

Truly,
Paul Bodnar
> 
> From: flaviomorrissiey at gatorland.com
> Date: 2005/07/04 Mon PM 05:45:36 EDT
> To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> Subject: RE: CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles
> 
> This week end coming up I will be giving a presentation on reptile training
> or conditioning.  The main portion of this presentation will be on
> Crocodilians.  If anyone is in the Orlando area on July 9th and 10th the
> presentations are scheduled to be at 4 PM.  Location is at the Orange County
> Convention Center.  The name of the Expo is Florida International Reptile
> Expo.  Http://worldherpexpo.com     
> 
> I am covering techniques such as desensitization of aggression, shift
> training, A to B behaviors, Capturing natural behaviors such as jumping and
> running.  All the training and conditioning is using positive reinforcement.
> The reinforcements are the interesting part of the presentations.  They are
> not always food. The species in the presentation Dwarf Crocs, Salt Water
> Crocs, Nile Crocs, Cuban Crocs and American Alligators.
> 
> To keep everyone updated on the progress, we are currently working on
> training females that have built nests and laid eggs to leave the nest when
> asked.  So far we have trained Alligators, Cuban Crocs, and now working with
> Salt Water Crocodiles.
> 
> We will collect the eggs of this Salt Water female and use the training on
> Friday this week.  If all goes well I will put this into the presentation on
> Saturday the 9th.
> 
> 
> I am looking to improve our management systems in captivity.  If anyone out
> there has any techniques in the training and conditioning process let me
> know how you are doing.
> 
> Happy 4th of July,
> 
> 
> Flavio Morrissiey
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	boyd simpson [SMTP:boyd65 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:28 AM
> > To:	croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > Subject:	RE: CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles
> > 
> > 
> > Very interesting about the beer. Here in Cambodia the beer is cheap and
> > you hardly ever see a crocodile. Obviously the crocs have learnt to duck
> > before a bottle bounces off their skull.
> > 
> > Boyd
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "paul Bxxxxx" <crocodile52 at msn.com>
> > >Reply-To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >Subject: RE: CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles
> > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:47:00 +0000
> > >
> > >Is it mostly Victoria Bitter or Fosters?
> > >
> > >>From: "Adam Britton" <abritton at crocodilian.com>
> > >>Reply-To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >>To: <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > >>Subject: RE: CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles
> > >>Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:34:40 +0930
> > >>
> > >>An honours study looking at the effect of the crocodile cruise 
> > >>boats on
> > >>crocodile wariness was conducted a few years ago at the Charles 
> > >>Darwin
> > >>University. They found reasonably strong evidence that the cruise 
> > >>boats were
> > >>not affecting approachability by non tour boats, simply because the 
> > >>non tour
> > >>boats were not using the correct signals (the engine pitch was 
> > >>wrong, the
> > >>timing was wrong, and signals provided by the tour guides were 
> > >>required).
> > >>This reinforces just how strongly crocodiles use association to 
> > >>learn - give
> > >>them a signal associated with a reward, and they'll very quickly 
> > >>associate
> > >>that signal with the reward. And crocs can detect differences in 
> > >>signals
> > >>quite easily, which is why you can say "Food!" and get a response, 
> > >>and
> > >>"Fred!" and get no response. If only my dog was so discerning!
> > >>
> > >>The phenomenon of crocs approaching private vessels is something 
> > >>that's
> > >>started in the last few years. I've noticed it myself, and I'm 
> > >>quite sure
> > >>it's got less to do with the cruise boats and more to do with 
> > >>private boat
> > >>passengers starting to feed crocs. Crocs never used to approach 
> > >>private
> > >>boats because they were more than likely going to get belted on the 
> > >>head by
> > >>a bottle of beer, so a change in behaviour is significant evidence 
> > >>that
> > >>motivations are changing I think (or that beer is getting more 
> > >>expensive
> > >>these days).
> > >>
> > >>Best wishes,
> > >>
> > >>Adam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >>[mailto:croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com] On Behalf Of 
> > >>cubancroc at cox.net
> > >>Sent: Monday, 23 May 2005 7:21 AM
> > >>To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >>Subject: Re: CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles
> > >>
> > >>Flavio,
> > >>
> > >>Training or in this case "conditioning" in wild crocs can be 
> > >>witnessed in
> > >>the river systems in northern Australia. Due tothe crocodile 
> > >>jumping river
> > >>tours which hand out food on a regular basis, crocs respond well to 
> > >>the boat
> > >>engines. Even small animals 3-4 feet will approach passing boats. I 
> > >>have a
> > >>few hours of film footage with crocs approaching boats expecting a 
> > >>free food
> > >>handout.
> > >>
> > >>Truly,
> > >>
> > >>Paul Bodnar
> > >> >
> > >> > From: flaviomorrissiey at gatorland.com
> > >> > Date: 2005/05/21 Sat AM 11:39:19 EDT
> > >> > To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >> > Subject: CROCLIST: Training Crocodiles
> > >> >
> > >> > I am looking for any information on crocodilian training and 
> > >>enrichment.
> > >>If
> > >> > anyone out there has any information, I would be very interested 
> > >>in
> > >>hearing
> > >> > what you are doing.  Specifically I am looking for different 
> > >>behaviors to
> > >> > apply in captivity and in wild populations.  The posts on fear 
> > >>of humans
> > >>has
> > >> > some interesting opinions.  I am also interested in your 
> > >>opinions on the
> > >> > subject too.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Please Contact me or keep the emails rolling.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> >
> > >> > Flavio Morrissiey
> > >> > ReptileTraining.Com
> > >> >
> > >> > croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
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