CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles

[Ralf Sommerlad]

I would be interested in photos of that "yellow-eyed" form.
Differences between O.t.t. and O . t.o. have been often described, but I would be also interested in Peter BrazaitisŽ opinion regarding the 
"2 forms" kept in the US.  

Best wishes
Ralf




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> Gesendet: 02.04.07 03:36:16
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> Betreff: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles


> I am curious how could dwarf crocodiles get imported into the USA? Don Boyer 
> from the San Diego Zoo and I looked into bringing some captive bred animals 
> from Canada and could not do so, a few years ago,due to USFW strict 
> regulations. USFW requires a conservation plan active with the species "x" 
> in the country of origin
> 
> My collection has five unrelated females which should produce eggs this 
> year, although it is early in the year, some have already started courtship 
> rituals. Perhaps the largest unrelated USA captive population of 
> Osteolaemus.
> 
> There appears to be at least two distinctive "forms" in USA captive 
> populations. Most notable in the hatchlings. Certian forms and 
> copper/brown/golden bands with the upturned snout and dark blackish/brown 
> eyes, the other form is black/deep brown/bright yellow bands with light 
> yellow eye coloration and wide snouts similiar to an alligator/common 
> caiman.
> 
> Truly,
> 
> Paul Bodnar
> 
> >From: "Steve Grenard" <sgrenard at si.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> >To: "The Crocodilian List" <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> >Subject: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:10:38 -0500
> >
> >too bad. I was going to ask you when you got them if the dorsal scales were
> >keeled or smooth. I found an old picture from the AMNH
> >taken by Herbert Lang in 1933 captionned "smooth-backed crocodle named for
> >Osborn" (Henry Fairfield Osborn.
> >a co-founder and Director of the Museum). The photo was taken in the Congo.
> >If you are getting tetraspis they will be keeled or rough backed.
> >
> >Tom Crutchfield who bred dwarf crocs  on his property in Florida told me he
> >didn't buy the smooth scaled versus rough as a definite diagnostic because,
> >he
> >said, as burrowers these crocs "wore down" their keels. But if you were
> >getting baby osborni and they were smooth scaled that would be
> >very interesting. Does anyone have any further input on this?
> >
> >Steve Grenard
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com
> >[mailto:croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com]On Behalf Of Cameron Cruz
> >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:20 PM
> >To: The Crocodilian List
> >Subject: Re: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> >
> >
> >sorry ment O.t.t. by bad.....
> >
> >Donny <donny039 at wowway.com> wrote:
> >   Cameron,
> >   Im sorry I havent got back to you withthe info you requested, I will get
> >on it within the next day or 2, but really there isnt much differant to 
> >care
> >of Dwarfs than other species.
> >
> >   I have been keeping Dwarf croc's indoors in Michigan, this is the more
> >pacific info that you will need as 99.9% of other keepers have there 
> >Dwarf's
> >outdoors in FL
> >
> >   Also, on another note ... where are you getting Osteolaemus t. osborni
> >from?  There are no legal osboni in the USA as far as I am aware, There is
> >only O. t. tetraspis, and there is 1 single "odd" dwarf crocodile in the 
> >USA
> >this odd animal is a yet un-named Dwarf Crocodile sub-species.
> >
> >   O. t. osboni, have typical type crocodile snouts (not up turned), these
> >animals look VERY similar to Smoothfront Caiman.
> >
> >   If the Dwarf's you are getting are in fact osborni, I would keep that
> >quiet.
> >
> >   Best Regards,
> >   Donny
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Cameron Cruz
> >     To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> >     Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:52 AM
> >     Subject: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> >
> >
> >     I am getting a pair of african dwarf crocodiles "o.t.o" and was
> >wondering if anyone has a captive care info for them, also what can I do as
> >far as conservation of this species? Should I keep logs on the animals? Any
> >info would be greatly apperciated.
> >
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