CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles

paul Bxxxxx crocodile52 at msn.com
Mon Apr 2 13:50:42 CEST 2007 

Hello Ralf,

The differences are on the yahoo link.

Truly,

Paul Bodnar


>From: Ralf Sommerlad <crocodilians at web.de>
>Reply-To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
>To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
>Subject: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:27:02 +0200
>
>I would be interested in photos of that "yellow-eyed" form.
>Differences between O.t.t. and O . t.o. have been often described, but I 
>would be also interested in Peter Brazaitis´ opinion regarding the
>"2 forms" kept in the US.
>
>Best wishes
>Ralf
>
>
>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > Gesendet: 02.04.07 03:36:16
> > An: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > Betreff: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
>
>
> > I am curious how could dwarf crocodiles get imported into the USA? Don 
>Boyer
> > from the San Diego Zoo and I looked into bringing some captive bred 
>animals
> > from Canada and could not do so, a few years ago,due to USFW strict
> > regulations. USFW requires a conservation plan active with the species 
>"x"
> > in the country of origin
> >
> > My collection has five unrelated females which should produce eggs this
> > year, although it is early in the year, some have already started 
>courtship
> > rituals. Perhaps the largest unrelated USA captive population of
> > Osteolaemus.
> >
> > There appears to be at least two distinctive "forms" in USA captive
> > populations. Most notable in the hatchlings. Certian forms and
> > copper/brown/golden bands with the upturned snout and dark 
>blackish/brown
> > eyes, the other form is black/deep brown/bright yellow bands with light
> > yellow eye coloration and wide snouts similiar to an alligator/common
> > caiman.
> >
> > Truly,
> >
> > Paul Bodnar
> >
> > >From: "Steve Grenard" <sgrenard at si.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > >To: "The Crocodilian List" <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > >Subject: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> > >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:10:38 -0500
> > >
> > >too bad. I was going to ask you when you got them if the dorsal scales 
>were
> > >keeled or smooth. I found an old picture from the AMNH
> > >taken by Herbert Lang in 1933 captionned "smooth-backed crocodle named 
>for
> > >Osborn" (Henry Fairfield Osborn.
> > >a co-founder and Director of the Museum). The photo was taken in the 
>Congo.
> > >If you are getting tetraspis they will be keeled or rough backed.
> > >
> > >Tom Crutchfield who bred dwarf crocs  on his property in Florida told 
>me he
> > >didn't buy the smooth scaled versus rough as a definite diagnostic 
>because,
> > >he
> > >said, as burrowers these crocs "wore down" their keels. But if you were
> > >getting baby osborni and they were smooth scaled that would be
> > >very interesting. Does anyone have any further input on this?
> > >
> > >Steve Grenard
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >[mailto:croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com]On Behalf Of Cameron Cruz
> > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:20 PM
> > >To: The Crocodilian List
> > >Subject: Re: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> > >
> > >
> > >sorry ment O.t.t. by bad.....
> > >
> > >Donny <donny039 at wowway.com> wrote:
> > >   Cameron,
> > >   Im sorry I havent got back to you withthe info you requested, I will 
>get
> > >on it within the next day or 2, but really there isnt much differant to
> > >care
> > >of Dwarfs than other species.
> > >
> > >   I have been keeping Dwarf croc's indoors in Michigan, this is the 
>more
> > >pacific info that you will need as 99.9% of other keepers have there
> > >Dwarf's
> > >outdoors in FL
> > >
> > >   Also, on another note ... where are you getting Osteolaemus t. 
>osborni
> > >from?  There are no legal osboni in the USA as far as I am aware, There 
>is
> > >only O. t. tetraspis, and there is 1 single "odd" dwarf crocodile in 
>the
> > >USA
> > >this odd animal is a yet un-named Dwarf Crocodile sub-species.
> > >
> > >   O. t. osboni, have typical type crocodile snouts (not up turned), 
>these
> > >animals look VERY similar to Smoothfront Caiman.
> > >
> > >   If the Dwarf's you are getting are in fact osborni, I would keep 
>that
> > >quiet.
> > >
> > >   Best Regards,
> > >   Donny
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: Cameron Cruz
> > >     To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >     Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:52 AM
> > >     Subject: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> > >
> > >
> > >     I am getting a pair of african dwarf crocodiles "o.t.o" and was
> > >wondering if anyone has a captive care info for them, also what can I 
>do as
> > >far as conservation of this species? Should I keep logs on the animals? 
>Any
> > >info would be greatly apperciated.
> > >
> > 
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