CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
paul Bxxxxx
crocodile52 at msn.com
Mon Apr 2 14:42:15 CEST 2007
Greetings All,
Here are two attached pictures (hope this works) the first picture is the
dark eyed upturned snout form, while the second picture is the light eyed
broad snout form.
Truly,
Paul Bodnar
>From: Ralf Sommerlad <crocodilians at web.de>
>Reply-To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
>To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
>Subject: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:27:02 +0200
>
>I would be interested in photos of that "yellow-eyed" form.
>Differences between O.t.t. and O . t.o. have been often described, but I
>would be also interested in Peter Brazaitis´ opinion regarding the
>"2 forms" kept in the US.
>
>Best wishes
>Ralf
>
>
>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > Gesendet: 02.04.07 03:36:16
> > An: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > Betreff: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
>
>
> > I am curious how could dwarf crocodiles get imported into the USA? Don
>Boyer
> > from the San Diego Zoo and I looked into bringing some captive bred
>animals
> > from Canada and could not do so, a few years ago,due to USFW strict
> > regulations. USFW requires a conservation plan active with the species
>"x"
> > in the country of origin
> >
> > My collection has five unrelated females which should produce eggs this
> > year, although it is early in the year, some have already started
>courtship
> > rituals. Perhaps the largest unrelated USA captive population of
> > Osteolaemus.
> >
> > There appears to be at least two distinctive "forms" in USA captive
> > populations. Most notable in the hatchlings. Certian forms and
> > copper/brown/golden bands with the upturned snout and dark
>blackish/brown
> > eyes, the other form is black/deep brown/bright yellow bands with light
> > yellow eye coloration and wide snouts similiar to an alligator/common
> > caiman.
> >
> > Truly,
> >
> > Paul Bodnar
> >
> > >From: "Steve Grenard" <sgrenard at si.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Crocodilian List <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > >To: "The Crocodilian List" <croclist at lists.gatorhole.com>
> > >Subject: RE: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> > >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:10:38 -0500
> > >
> > >too bad. I was going to ask you when you got them if the dorsal scales
>were
> > >keeled or smooth. I found an old picture from the AMNH
> > >taken by Herbert Lang in 1933 captionned "smooth-backed crocodle named
>for
> > >Osborn" (Henry Fairfield Osborn.
> > >a co-founder and Director of the Museum). The photo was taken in the
>Congo.
> > >If you are getting tetraspis they will be keeled or rough backed.
> > >
> > >Tom Crutchfield who bred dwarf crocs on his property in Florida told
>me he
> > >didn't buy the smooth scaled versus rough as a definite diagnostic
>because,
> > >he
> > >said, as burrowers these crocs "wore down" their keels. But if you were
> > >getting baby osborni and they were smooth scaled that would be
> > >very interesting. Does anyone have any further input on this?
> > >
> > >Steve Grenard
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com
> > >[mailto:croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com]On Behalf Of Cameron Cruz
> > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:20 PM
> > >To: The Crocodilian List
> > >Subject: Re: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> > >
> > >
> > >sorry ment O.t.t. by bad.....
> > >
> > >Donny <donny039 at wowway.com> wrote:
> > > Cameron,
> > > Im sorry I havent got back to you withthe info you requested, I will
>get
> > >on it within the next day or 2, but really there isnt much differant to
> > >care
> > >of Dwarfs than other species.
> > >
> > > I have been keeping Dwarf croc's indoors in Michigan, this is the
>more
> > >pacific info that you will need as 99.9% of other keepers have there
> > >Dwarf's
> > >outdoors in FL
> > >
> > > Also, on another note ... where are you getting Osteolaemus t.
>osborni
> > >from? There are no legal osboni in the USA as far as I am aware, There
>is
> > >only O. t. tetraspis, and there is 1 single "odd" dwarf crocodile in
>the
> > >USA
> > >this odd animal is a yet un-named Dwarf Crocodile sub-species.
> > >
> > > O. t. osboni, have typical type crocodile snouts (not up turned),
>these
> > >animals look VERY similar to Smoothfront Caiman.
> > >
> > > If the Dwarf's you are getting are in fact osborni, I would keep
>that
> > >quiet.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Donny
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Cameron Cruz
> > > To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:52 AM
> > > Subject: CROCLIST: African Dwarf Crocodiles
> > >
> > >
> > > I am getting a pair of african dwarf crocodiles "o.t.o" and was
> > >wondering if anyone has a captive care info for them, also what can I
>do as
> > >far as conservation of this species? Should I keep logs on the animals?
>Any
> > >info would be greatly apperciated.
> > >
> >
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