From cschuck3 at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 09:46:42 2009 From: cschuck3 at gmail.com (Charles Schuck III) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:46:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: CROCLIST: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <3051453.5112180.1233564402192.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn13.prod> LinkedIn ------------ The, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Charles Learn more: https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/471605625/Zz0pRIhp/ ------------------------------------------ What is LinkedIn and why should you join? http://learn.linkedin.com/what-is-linkedin/ ------ (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gatorhole.com/pipermail/croclist/attachments/20090202/19586da0/attachment.htm From wschedin at hojdpunkten.ac.se Mon Feb 2 19:22:21 2009 From: wschedin at hojdpunkten.ac.se (Wilhelmina Schedin) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:22:21 +0100 Subject: CROCLIST: CROCLIST outage In-Reply-To: <488620C6.9010501@gatorhole.com> References: <60512.1213239686@pop.hypermart.net> <488620C6.9010501@gatorhole.com> Message-ID: <20090202182257.0C1702047519@time.sky-net.se> Ragnar! As you see it's a long time ago you wrote this letter. I have not got time to tell this. (My life has been so stressfull) but now I'm finally cathing up al kind of things. I wanted to post about when I saw the crocs in Stockholm (Skansen) last summer. But when I am posting, I do not get my own copy anymore from my onw sent letter. And now I never know if my posting goes to the list. I hope this letter will go to the list and hope to know if more people has that problem. Please help me to fix it so I can get my own copy of my croc list mail agin. Like it was before. Kind regards Wilhelmina Schedin At 19:02 2008-07-22, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Croclist has been offline a while, but is now back up again. > >Regards, > > /Ragnar >_______________________________________________ >Croclist mailing list >Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com >http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist >Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ -- http://www.algonet.se/~wschedin ***************************************** The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet. - Aristotle ***************************************** From ragnar at lonn.org Mon Feb 2 20:57:36 2009 From: ragnar at lonn.org (Ragnar Lonn) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:57:36 +0100 Subject: CROCLIST: CROCLIST outage In-Reply-To: <20090202182257.0C1702047519@time.sky-net.se> References: <60512.1213239686@pop.hypermart.net> <488620C6.9010501@gatorhole.com> <20090202182257.0C1702047519@time.sky-net.se> Message-ID: <49875030.2050704@lonn.org> Wilhelmina, and others, The list should be functional. I think that it has just been a bit quiet lately. If anyone has problems sending email to the list, send me or Adam Britton a mail and we will try to help you. Regards, /Ragnar Wilhelmina Schedin wrote: > Ragnar! > > As you see it's a long time ago you wrote this letter. I have not got > time to tell this. (My life has been so stressfull) but now I'm > finally cathing up al kind of things. > > I wanted to post about when I saw the crocs in Stockholm (Skansen) > last summer. But when I am posting, I do not get my own copy anymore > from my onw sent letter. And now I never know if my posting goes to the list. > > I hope this letter will go to the list and hope to know if more > people has that problem. > Please help me to fix it so I can get my own copy of my croc list > mail agin. Like it was before. > > Kind regards Wilhelmina Schedin > > At 19:02 2008-07-22, you wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Croclist has been offline a while, but is now back up again. >> >> Regards, >> >> /Ragnar >> _______________________________________________ >> Croclist mailing list >> Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com >> http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist >> Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ >> > > -- > http://www.algonet.se/~wschedin > ***************************************** > The roots of education are bitter, but > the fruit is sweet. - Aristotle > ***************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Croclist mailing list > Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com > http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist > Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ > From wschedin at hojdpunkten.ac.se Mon Feb 2 21:11:34 2009 From: wschedin at hojdpunkten.ac.se (Wilhelmina Schedin) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:11:34 +0100 Subject: CROCLIST: CROCLIST outage In-Reply-To: <49875030.2050704@lonn.org> References: <60512.1213239686@pop.hypermart.net> <488620C6.9010501@gatorhole.com> <20090202182257.0C1702047519@time.sky-net.se> <49875030.2050704@lonn.org> Message-ID: <20090202201128.7B9312047519@time.sky-net.se> Hi! I got my own mail now. Maybe it was in summer when the list not yet was functional. Then I had a bad cold and was giving up. But now I see it is working and I want to post something soon maybe in the weekend. Thanks Wilhelmina At 20:57 2009-02-02, you wrote: >Wilhelmina, and others, > >The list should be functional. I think that it has just been a bit quiet >lately. > >If anyone has problems sending email to the list, send me or Adam >Britton a mail and we will try to help you. > >Regards, > > /Ragnar > >Wilhelmina Schedin wrote: > > Ragnar! > > > > As you see it's a long time ago you wrote this letter. I have not got > > time to tell this. (My life has been so stressfull) but now I'm > > finally cathing up al kind of things. > > > > I wanted to post about when I saw the crocs in Stockholm (Skansen) > > last summer. But when I am posting, I do not get my own copy anymore > > from my onw sent letter. And now I never know if my posting goes > to the list. > > > > I hope this letter will go to the list and hope to know if more > > people has that problem. > > Please help me to fix it so I can get my own copy of my croc list > > mail agin. Like it was before. > > > > Kind regards Wilhelmina Schedin > > > > At 19:02 2008-07-22, you wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Croclist has been offline a while, but is now back up again. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> /Ragnar > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Croclist mailing list > >> Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com > >> http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist > >> Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ > >> > > > > -- > > http://www.algonet.se/~wschedin > > ***************************************** > > The roots of education are bitter, but > > the fruit is sweet. - Aristotle > > ***************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Croclist mailing list > > Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com > > http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist > > Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >Croclist mailing list >Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com >http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist >Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ -- http://www.algonet.se/~wschedin ***************************************** The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet. - Aristotle ***************************************** From james at reptilevillage.net Mon Feb 2 22:38:54 2009 From: james at reptilevillage.net (James) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: CROCLIST: Inter species communication In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <615411.21856.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Hi all, ? I currently co-habit a pair of A. alligators (7/8ft) with 2 male Spec caiman (5/6ft) in my zoo here in Ireland. Their pond isn't overly large and there has been quite a bit of interaction over the last month, temperatures are a little lower than normal. Both gators bellow and vibrate and the caiman respond mostly by arching. The caiman occassionally grunt and vibrate with no reaction from the gators. ? My female gator has also started to become a little more aggressive towards the slightly smaller of the 2 caiman, mostly gentle bites but occassionally chasing him out of the water. I,m pretty sure its not a feeding response, possibly terratorial (nesting?) or could she have other things on her mind? ? Has anyone else had similar inter species interactions or any ideas as to why the gator just singles out the same caiman (there is only a slight size difference between the two caiman)? ? James Hennessy Curator 056 7726 757 (outside Ireland 00353 56 7726 757) www.reptilevillage.net ? Licensed by the Department of the Environment, Heritage, and Local Government under the European Communities (licensing & Inspection of Zoos) Regulations, 2003: (S.I. No. 440 of 2003) License No.: ZOO2007/06 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gatorhole.com/pipermail/croclist/attachments/20090202/ab126693/attachment.htm From manum at shaw.ca Mon Feb 2 22:46:34 2009 From: manum at shaw.ca (Manumouse) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:46:34 -0800 Subject: CROCLIST: Inter species communication In-Reply-To: <615411.21856.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <615411.21856.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54BC9FAC4E084E83A5B9CA786C4EB91D@ManumousePC> Hi, I have had alligators attack each other in our animal care facility. I find its mostly a dominance type behaviour and it can lead to severe injuries. They also sometimes attack the same gator over and over which again can lead to serious injuries. I would closely watch them and if one is singled out, you may have to remove her/him from the group. Cheers, Manuela ----- Original Message ----- From: James To: croclist at lists.gatorhole.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: CROCLIST: Inter species communication Hi all, I currently co-habit a pair of A. alligators (7/8ft) with 2 male Spec caiman (5/6ft) in my zoo here in Ireland. Their pond isn't overly large and there has been quite a bit of interaction over the last month, temperatures are a little lower than normal. Both gators bellow and vibrate and the caiman respond mostly by arching. The caiman occassionally grunt and vibrate with no reaction from the gators. My female gator has also started to become a little more aggressive towards the slightly smaller of the 2 caiman, mostly gentle bites but occassionally chasing him out of the water. I,m pretty sure its not a feeding response, possibly terratorial (nesting?) or could she have other things on her mind? Has anyone else had similar inter species interactions or any ideas as to why the gator just singles out the same caiman (there is only a slight size difference between the two caiman)? James Hennessy Curator 056 7726 757 (outside Ireland 00353 56 7726 757) www.reptilevillage.net Licensed by the Department of the Environment, Heritage, and Local Government under the European Communities (licensing & Inspection of Zoos) Regulations, 2003: (S.I. No. 440 of 2003) License No.: ZOO2007/06 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Croclist mailing list Croclist at lists.gatorhole.com http://lists.gatorhole.com/mailman/listinfo/croclist Croclist Image Website: http://reptilians.org/croclist/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gatorhole.com/pipermail/croclist/attachments/20090202/5dab1fd8/attachment.htm From v0v04ka at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 17:47:37 2009 From: v0v04ka at hotmail.com (Vladimir Dinets) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:47:37 +0000 Subject: CROCLIST: crocodilian dialects Message-ID: Dear Adam and Ryan, Sorry for belated answer: for some reason I only got your answers now. Adam, I am well aware that crocodilians change their vocal behavior in response to human disturbance. I don't think it's ever been scientifically documented in crocs, but there's plenty of papers on birds, plus a few on red deer and big cats. To account for that variability, I try to sample only populations which haven't been hunted recently. Surprisingly, I found very low level of individual variability in mating-season calls within populations. But I am not looking at how many times each male "sings" during the mating season - only at which signals he uses more often, and what are the acoustic parameters of each signal. I am sampling relatively large numbers of males from as many populations as possible to eliminate possible alternative explanations (other than habitat). By now I have sound recordings of mating-season calls by a few species. I'll gladly share them as soon as I finish gathering data in the field and sort it all out (hopefully later this year). I also think a sound library (and may be a CD) is a great idea. Unfortunately, it looks like I won't be able to visit Australia anytime soon (at least not during the mating season of any of the two spp). I'd really appreciate if you could describe the calls of freshwater crocs for me. I am only interested in the kind of signal given by adult males during the mating season - the one accompanied by infrasound and/or some semblance of arched-back posture. Ryan, I have looked at Chinese vs. American gators, and they kinda fit into my theory. Chinese gators mostly live in small ponds and use a lot of roars, but very few, if any, head-slaps. American gators are habitat generalists, and use head-slapping displays a lot (the frequency apparently depends on habitat to some extent). I've always wondered if there are any sound differences corresponding to the two proposed subspecies of American alligator. This spring I'll try to get recordings from the "western subspecies" - from Texas and Arkansas. I'll be glad to exchange information. Let's get in touch in October, when I finish most of my field research and sort out all my data. Vladimir _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.gatorhole.com/pipermail/croclist/attachments/20090206/718df4cb/attachment-0001.htm From bzeigler at atlantic.net Fri Feb 6 18:58:28 2009 From: bzeigler at atlantic.net (Bill Zeigler) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:58:28 -0600 Subject: CROCLIST: Galvanized stock tanks safe for crocs In-Reply-To: <303149.9953.qm@web57908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <303149.9953.qm@web57908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DCBF58E4F1246AB8178676C19B18108@laptop> Galvanized stock tanks have long been used for rearing hatchlings and maintaining smaller crocs during winter months. There are no health issues with them as long as they are kept in good condition. When or if flaking occurs I would discontinue the tank use simply due to the possibility of ingesting the metal, or the occurrence of rust where the flaking is coming off, but I am unaware of any chemicals given off by the galvanizing into the water during normal use. The most dangerous thing about using the metal tanks is from electrical shock when people try to use lighting and/or heat lamps with improper equipment. _____ From: croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com [mailto:croclist-bounces at lists.gatorhole.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Presto Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:45 AM To: Croclist Subject: CROCLIST: Galvanized stock tanks safe for crocs Are the galvanized stock tanks safe for crocodilians, do they have any possibly harmfull chemicals that keep them from rusting? Thanx No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gatorhole.com/pipermail/croclist/attachments/20090206/75ddcc01/attachment.htm