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Jeff,<BR>
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I have the crate you're looking for on my porch right now (someone sent us a 4ft Nile croc in it 2 years ago) it's nothing extravagant, but very practical, capable of housing two animals if desired (removable divider). <BR>
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Hopefully someone will send you some pics soon, however i am going to take some pics now and try and upload them and get them to you within the next day or so.<BR>
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I also have another Crocodilian crate design that i used to use for hatchlings but have been tweaking so as to apply the design to Larger crocs. Its a more efficient and safer (for animal and keeper) roll-out design. I'll have to dig up my sketches but in a zoo setting this may save time, energy, and stress on everyone and the animal involved. I'll be happy to send you the sketches when i find them (they are in rough blueprint form) although it wont help you with you current task at hand as it may take a few days for me to find them. <BR>
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Kind regards,<BR>
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Nathan Sweeting<BR> <BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks Manuela,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I should have probably been more specific in my request to the list. I need some photos to give to the carpenters for building the crate. I’ve personally built crates before, but I need something for the carpenters to look at to build from since they haven’t done it. I don’t have any pictures of the crates that I built and I don’t want to have to be looking over the carpenter’s shoulders during the entire build process or I might as well do it myself again, which I’m trying to avoid. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=fuchsia size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: fuchsia; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I have built several containers for large gators. You will have to contact the airline as well as US Fish and Wildlife regarding shipping standards. You need to make sure the crate complies with the IATA Live Animal Regulations. I made mine big enough for the gator to be comfortable but not be able and turn around. This keeps them relatively calm. Also, put some soft material on the top/lid (I used bubble wrap in the past). This prevents them hurting their heads. Of course make sure there are lots of holes in the crate. The crate needs to be pretty solid with the sides reinforced. The lid should have hinges that can easily be opened and closed. I used cable ties to close them. This allows rapid opening and closing. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We don’t have any good containers on hand for shipping small crocodilians and will have to have one built by our carpenter shop. Does anyone have some photographs of a typical shipping crate for crocs that you can post up or send directly to me? We’re looking to build one for an animal that is ~4 feet in length. I have something in mind, but I’m sure there are a lot of good ideas out there as far as crates are concerned so would like to incorporate them if we can for this build. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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